Polar bears 'thriving as the Arctic warms up' »
Posted By populist 1 year, 7 months ago in Science & TechnologyPictures of a polar bear floating precariously on a tiny iceberg have become the defining image of global warming but may be misleading, according to a new study.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
So basically you're saying: "Let them eat fish"?
It's interesting that the article itself points out that it's likely polar bears are enjoying a revival, NOT because of global warming but because of conservation efforts.
"Polar bear experts said that numbers had increased not because of climate change but due to the efforts of conservationists...Bear numbers on the west coast of Hudson's Bay had shrunk by 22 per cent over the past decade, he said."
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david_nwpa1 year, 7 months ago
That is not entirely true. Full grown adult females can swim that far to find food for their cubs. However, both the very young cubs and older adult males have greater difficulty swimming quite that far. Perhaps the only reason we are seeing more polar bears further south is that the ice on which they used to roam has melted. Likelier still, the bears lack an adequate source of food, aka seals, and are heading to where they can find suitable eats.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
But you are guessing.
I would prefer to arrive at conclusions based upon more than mere conjecture. I would like to examine the findings of "experts" who can be named, and whose qualifications and authenticity can be verified. Some in this thread believe that is an unreasonable attitude, but I think it is quite defensible.
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CovalentBond1 year, 7 months ago
((However, Prof Derocher conceded that some polar bear-related evidence of the damaging effect of global warming was misplaced.))
These sky falling types always back down when faced with hard facts. As they don't have any hard facts of their own of any kind. So they say the effects will be felt 30, 50, or 100 years down the road. That way they keep getting their govt. grants. How convenient.
But where is the "Hockey Stick"? It's not in the latest IPCC report. Why? Perhaps because it couldn't pass true scientific examination?
Earth's climate is not as warm as it has been, nor as warm as it's going to get. All on it's own. The climate of the Earth will do as it will, regardless of what we humans do.
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NelsonR1 year, 7 months ago
CovalentBond - Did you really read the entire post? Variations occur. So your attitude is man has no direct influence regarding climate change, am I interpeting correctly?
Time will tell but I think your premise is wrong and that is why Bushites will not join the world community in discussions or remedial measures. I guess the Bushites are correct since they conservatives are always correct and other opinions do not count.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
The evidence is that polar bears are thriving. Those who have a political agenda respond, "Variations occur!" but they present no evidence to substantiate their recent alarmist pronouncement that the polar bears are endangered.
Somehow, that is regarded as acceptable science by those who truly want to believe that greedy, evil mankind is destroying the planet. Of course, the corrolary belief is that greedy, evil mankind must be controlled--and guess who would be doing the controlling.
You repeatedly claim that skeptics are somehow in league with the "Bushites," but that simply allows you to discount and reject any information contrary to your firmly held preconceptions. I learned long ago that prejudice comes in many forms, and it is always harmful to both intelligent discussion and social progress. It is unfortunate that you have chosen the path of prejudice.
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Methysmenos1 year, 7 months ago
"Tina Cunnings, a biologist attached to the Alaskan government, questioned whether they needed sea ice to survive, saying they could adapt to hunt on land and find alternative food sources to seals."
Maybe they could put up a couple of Domino's Pizzarias for them.
If I was a polar bear, I think I would like pizza, lots of anchovies, hold the harp seal.
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TonyByron1 year, 7 months ago
"Polar bears 'thriving as the Arctic warms up'"
This can not be. This is right wing propaganda spread by the global warming deniers.
They must be stopped before any contrary information is released.
Any positive information about climate change is false and those offering proof should be sent to the Hague for summary execution after a fair trial.
Including polar bears who have the nerve to increase their populations in defiance of "facts" presented by "experts" that they should be dieing off.
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ybdogsct1 year, 7 months ago
Apparently you didn't read past the title of the story:
"Polar bear experts said that numbers had increased not because of climate change but due to the efforts of conservationists...Bear numbers on the west coast of Hudson's Bay had shrunk by 22 per cent over the past decade, he said."
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
Bears on the west coast of Hudson's Bay winter in the vicinity of the town of Churchill, and frequently enter human-inhabited areas searching for food. Hundreds have been anesthetized and moved to other parts of the Canadian Arctic in the past two decades to protect the people of Churchill. Did these unidentified "experts" factor that into their calculations, or are you simply grasping for straws?
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WCFIELDS1 year, 7 months ago
There are either more Polar Bears, fewer Polar Bears or just the same number as before. I'm concerned about the decline of Eskimos. I don't hear much about them anymore. Have these damned Inuettes, or whatever they are, killed them off and taken over? Has global warming killed off the eskimos?
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david_nwpa1 year, 7 months ago
Please tell me you are being facetious, right? You do realize that the Eskimos as you so put it, are merely a collective term for different tribes of Arctic natives. In particular, the Inuit tribal people and the Aleuts. At one time the Eyak tribe lived that far north, however, the last Eyaks died off in the 1990s.
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philogical1 year, 7 months ago
Sorry, but wrong. That celebrated photograph of a Polar bear and its cub floating on a tiny iceberg was stolen or plagiarized if you will and was taken about three or four years ago with the caption Mother and Cub playing on ice flow. So it is very misleading. Prof Derocher said "To say that bear populations are growing in one area now is irrelevant." Now that is the height of conceit for the good Prof. Derogher don't you think? How can the growth of a bear population anywhere be irrelevant? The Polar bear only live on the ice to hunt seal, with less ice the seal will come closer to shore and the Polar bear will follow. By the way, genetically what are Polar bear anyway? The answer is Brown bear that gained a survival technique, (lighter color) in the North Country.
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Heloise001 year, 7 months ago
What gets me is people seem to act like it doesn't matter what happens to these and other animals, as long as we're ok. Well, the whole world is one big ecosystem and we need to be careful.
I think back to the end of Soylent Green when they said the oceans are dying, etc. etc. thus Soylent Green is people. This type of thing will happen to us unless we start to realize the world as a whole needs protection ... not just what fattens our wallets or enhances humanity's selfish, profligate lifestyle.
Unfortunately, by the time we see the real results it'll be too late for any of us, most likely, to say I told you so to any of the naysayers here, as we'll all be dead.
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Methysmenos1 year, 7 months ago
"Bears on the west coast of Hudson's Bay winter in the vicinity of the town of Churchill, and frequently enter human-inhabited areas searching for food."
That should be a glaring warning that bears' food source is drying up, forcing bears into the human-inhabited areas that they usually avoid. Exactly how are you interpreting this phenomenon?
Actually no.
When you build a town in the middle of the bears migratory
route what would expect? Whos intruding on who here.
Churchill is the polar bear capital of the world. You wanna see bears, you go there.
Of course the odd one is going to wander into town, they take care of it.
The Inuit prefer not to be called Eskimos as it is an Algonquin word that means: eaters of raw meat.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
I didn't notice that Limbaugh was participating in this thread, or, indeed, on this website. Perhaps you only mentioned him to discredit any reasonable comments to which you lack enough information to respond. Or perhaps you are intellectually dishonest. It doesn't matter. either way, your comment is worthless.
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spikecwc1 year, 7 months ago
That's only one person. What about all the rest of the "experts"?
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spikecwc1 year, 7 months ago
Since none of the "other scientists" have come forward, it can be inferred that they aren't ready to make the same claims.
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spikecwc1 year, 7 months ago
One person's opinion is "plenty of info"? So it's my opinion that the sky is green, and I have a lot of friends who think so as well.
Sky must be green.
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philogical1 year, 7 months ago
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. However, many on the political left, and yes you are on the left, act as if they are entitled to their own facts and especially the "fact" that those who oppose their ideas are either intellectually or morally inferior. In other words, you cannot oppose global warming, diversity, gun control, or gay marriage unless there is something wrong with you. No hard evidence is necessary to support this conclusion. Indeed, no hard evidence can change this conviction. Just because Prof Derocher said something does not make it true. He is invested in global warming it is after all where he gets his money. No facts are good enough for you. More Polar bears, so what, growing Glaciers in Alaska, where, more snowfall in Greenland and Antarctica must be lies. All of the above is true but you will never admit it because you are invested in failure, you will not believe that you have been snookered.
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philogical1 year, 7 months ago
And once again I prove my point. The best this bozo can do is say Oh yah, and call me names. Just what I said they do and he even added a new twist, white folks (read BAD PEOPLE), guns, heaven forbid that I might have a gun, and hate gays. He knows nothing about me except that I disagree with him, but you can see that this being hates me. Is his mental state so precarious that my not falling into line like so many chicks scares him?
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philogical1 year, 7 months ago
In point of fact SageXaradox has medical problems, yes, he is dead from the neck up, He should have ended his tirade when he saw that his lack of logic was not impressive.. Notice that he does not prove what I say is not true he just endeavors to make light of the truth. Sage you see is the quintessential liberal, lacking all ability at being angry toward those who have lied to him because he lacks enthusiasm for life and for the good people who would help him.. Way to go Sage. Sage is a serial commenter and has brought out the big guns of his own brand of hate speech. So ladies and gentlemen children everywhere, sit back with our hands and arms inside the box, this is going to be a fun, but bumpy ride and remember there is a lot of bovine scat on the left side of the tracks.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 7 months ago
You may also have a reading disability. No one said you were "pretending to be dishonest." I said that you "pretend to be an intelligent and honest human being." Get one of your more literate friends to explain the distinction to you.
The remainder of your "argument" suggests that you are drinking tonight. Go ahead--it may actually heighten your perceptions and increase your intelligence.
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CovalentBond1 year, 7 months ago
ROTFLMAO:
Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third.
You may not be an Idiot but you sure sound like one.
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KliesBridge1 year, 7 months ago
SageXparadox and 1-2-Oscar, STFU already and get back to the topic!! Jesus.
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KliesBridge1 year, 7 months ago
P.S.: Deroucher is a hack. He's a hack because he has a conservationalist agenda and does not look at all of the facts. And by the way, polar bears will find a way to survive even if all the ice melts and they have no choice but to be land-bound. They will evolve just as we will continue to evolve as our environment changes over the next few million years.
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