Science – An Israeli archaeologist has found the tomb of King Herod, the legendary builder of ancient Jerusalem and the Holy Land, Hebrew University said late Monday. The tomb is at a site called Herodium, a flattened hilltop in the Judean Desert, clearly visible from southern Jerusalem.
It's always good to see these discoveries in the Holy Land. With the ongoing effort of the various Arab peoples to eradicate and dismiss evidence of the history of the people of Israel, it's heartening to see their colorful history come alive through not only scripture, but also through archaeology.
Great History, but I really don't see as how it validates the bible (or invalidates it). The players in the story were well described by Roman historians of the time as well as the Jewish historian, Josephus, who lived a bit later (during the time of Nero).
Well of course with the exception of Jesus they are found in history outside of the Bible. Josephus's mention of such a man is far removed by time and third person. As is Pliny the Younger's mention which is even more vague. Pliny the Elder the most respected historian of Jesus' day never mentions him. It still amazes me that someone of such questionable existence has so greatly influenced the past 2000 years. Completely non-sensical but of course so is much of religion.
For such a lowly person as Jesus to even have even been a blip on the Roman radar is rather astounding. Of course Juesus' followers were a prime target of Nero, which gave them Notoriety.
Pliny the Elder was more into natural and geological phnemomena than the political, so no suprise there
I would suspect he was a lowly figure due to the fact there were numerous other Jewish prophets at the time claiming divinity. Also, the Romans were meticulous record keepers but no cruxifixion record remains of any such person. Jesus just had the best marketer (Paul) and a ruler who saw the political benefits of co-opting a religious group (Constantine). In reality he didn't really need to exist, for he is a symbolic figure more than anything. The grip of the Church on the civilized (sic) western world for the first, at least fifteen hundred years after his adoption by the Romans, ensured that his myth or legend, whichever you prefer, would live on.
"would suspect he was a lowly figure due to the fact there were numerous other Jewish prophets at the time claiming divinity"
which is exactly what the Jewish chaplin on our ship said, "there where so many"
"Also, the Romans were meticulous record keepers but no cruxifixion record remains of any such person."
Its my understanding that of the documents created in that time there remains only enough to take up 1 foot on a desk, many records where lost or distroyed. However there is a piece of the book of mark that is soppose to date as early as 75 AD based on the writting style, thats about 40 years after the crucifiction. well within what they call the witness period.
Any archiological discovery needs to be taken for what it is, a discovery of evidence of a past culture, place, event or person. Whether or not it validates a belief is often more speculative than anything. This is a new discovery, thius it will still require time and study to determine valid results.
It is however significant that the long anticipated find of a body at a place called "Herod's Tomb" did take place! At least we know it was somone's tomb. If it does turn out to be Herod the "great" (who history tells us was a class A tyrant), it will at least help validate his existence.
It is truly an exciting find!
The Bible esp the Old Testament has a dual personality - it is a book of historical facts as much as it is a religious tract
Israeli archaeologists & geologists have been relying upon it for years to find artifacts,water sources,etc.
The discovery of the tomb is at least as much of a scientific find as it is religious
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